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Friday, November 14, 2014

BEILEIN CRAPS OUT ON RECRUITING TRAIL









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Thursday, November 13, 2014

MICHIGAN BASKETBALL SIGNS ZERO RECRUITS

Michigan Basketball Coach John Beilein has stepped out-of-the-box again. The ingenious innovator who took power-forwards out of his game-concept, and dropped interior passing in favor of bombing away from long-distance, has offered a new way to approach recruitment of players.

Yesterday was National Signing Day in college basketball, and Beilein did not sign-up any players to play for UM in the Class of 2015. You read it right, zero players have signed to play for the Wolverines next season. Zilch, nada, the null-set.

Perhaps the old coach got tired of the recruiting trail, choosing to sign six players last year, and apparently deciding that was enough to carry his team forward without any new blood in the 2015 class.

It's an unprecedented move, as no major programs have ever been known to leave a class totally empty, at least not on purpose. Michigan State has added as few as two players in a class, but never zero.

In case you were wondering why you haven't heard much about the Michigan Basketball recruiting class of 2015, now you know the reason why!




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Sunday, November 2, 2014

2015 UM RECRUITING CLASS UPDATE: THE SHOOTING STARS OF "MYTH-AGAIN" FOOTBALL

Time to talk about Michigan Football recruiting. The perennial "national champions" of recruiting are seeing their incoming flow of 4-star and 5-star players dribbling to a trickle after their record-setting season of failure. How bad is it? Let's take a look.

Brady Hoke made his name at UM by attracting hordes of highly-ranked high-school football players, racking up so many "recruiting victories" that those folks had his statue in the design phase, just waiting for the results to play out on the field. His incoming classes have been ranked, #21, #7, #5,and #31, for a Top 20 average. Three of Hoke's four classes have been ranked higher than Mark Dantonio's recruits in the same year.

But this year may be different. The Wolverines opened the 2014 season with 11 verbal commitments, including nine 4-star recruits. Three players have de-committed, including the top two players from that group, while four more are flagrantly violating what Hoke said was a Michigan Football rule; that a player committed to the Wolverines MAY NOT take visits to other schools and hold his UM scholarship offer.

Below is a screen-shot of the 2015 Michigan Football Commitment List from Rivals, as it looked at the beginning of this season. The list is organized by the "Rivals Rating", which is found in the eighth of ten columns. So the players are listed in "rank order" from top to bottom:

MICHIGAN FOOTBALL VERBAL COMMITMENTS AS OF SEPTEMBER 1, 2014






































The top three players on the list have identical rankings of "6.0", which is just below "5-star" status. Roseboro and Taylor have de-committed, while Clark, Cole, Kinnel, and Kirkland are in the process of breaking the "Michigan Rule". (Meanwhile, several of the lower-ranked players are considered "locks", such as legacy recruit Jon Runyan.)

Let's summarize the status of the 11 players who were committed to UM before the Irish rout in South Bend. All of the players listed below are "4-star" recruits except Runyan (3-star) and David (2-star):

CHRIS CLARK -  TAKING OTHER VISITS. Clark has not yet publicly de-committed, but he has three trips scheduled to other schools in November (North Carolina, Texas, and Southern California). He holds an MSU offer, along with offers from 45 other schools.
DARIAN ROSEBORO -  GONE. Roseboro politely de-committed after Minnesota beat UM. He holds 22 other offers, and after sifting through them, he re-selected a school closer to his home (North Carolina State) on October 11.
GARRETT TAYLOR -  GONE. Taylor dropped out after MSU beat UM, choosing to review his other 32 offers. He has trips scheduled to Ohio State and Penn State, and he does hold an offer from MSU.
BRIAN COLE -  TAKING OTHER VISITS. Cole visited Wisconsin last month. From Saginaw, he holds an MSU offer, along with offers from eight other schools.
MIKE WEBER -  TAKING OTHER VISITS. From Detroit Cass Tech, Weber has not publicly wavered from his UM commitment. However, he said last month that he will be "exploring his options". Current reports indicate he will visit Ohio State, Miami, and Southern California.  He holds an MSU offer, and he's planning an official visit to East Lansing as well. He says he's unsure where he will take his fifth official visit, meaning that Michigan is apparently his "safety school". Weber has about a dozen total offers.
TYREE KINNEL - TAKING OTHER VISITS. From Ohio, Weber has not publicly wavered from his UM commitment, claiming he is "still a UM commit", but he is at West Virginia this weekend for a look-and-seeHe holds an MSU offer, along with five other offers.
DARREN KIRKLAND, Jr.GONE. Kirkland was at Ole Miss this weekend and has scheduled a trip to Oklahoma next weekend. He also has trips planned to Texas, Oregon, and Southern California. He holds 27 total scholarship offers. Kirkland de-committed 12 days after the Spartans beat the Wolverines. (MSU did not offer him.)
ALEX MALZONE -  Malzone committed to UM in May, and has not wavered. Most observers consider him to be solid to Michigan. He has a dozen total offers. (MSU did not offer him.)
GRANT NEWSOME -  Newsome committed to UM in June, and has not wavered. However, he has said that if Brady Hoke was fired, he would have to reconsider the decision. MSU has offered him, along with 30 other schools.
JON RUNYAN, Jr. -  As a "legacy recruit", Runyan is considered by most observers to be the most solid UM commitment. He has stated so publicly. He had one offer to play college football (from Michigan).
ANDREW DAVID - No word from David either way. He had one offer to play college football (from Michigan).

Since the firestorm of Notre Dame hit Michigan football in September, three recruits have de-committed, four more are taking other visits despite their "commitment", and two others are putting up a committed front while leaving some wiggle-room with their actual plans. So eight out of eleven players who were verbally committed to Michigan two months ago are either on the fence or have left UM behind.


Michigan seems to be in strong shape
with only three verbally-committed players
for their 2015 recruiting class.


Comments from ATownAndDown:

U of M recruiting is in a tough spot. Hoke is essentially a lame duck at this point. With Brandon's exit it is quite clear based on the timing that the first thing on the new AD's plate will be to hire his guy to fill the role of head football coach. So how does Hoke go into a kids living room and tell that kids mom that he will take care of her son for the next 4 years when he might not be there in the next 4 minutes?

I have heard the adage "You commit to the school and not to the coach" but that is just noise. The fact is kids today have more information when making their decision then they did 10-20 years ago. They not only know who is on a roster already but what system the coach runs and how those guys fit in that system. If that coach leaves, so does the security that you are going to be a fit for the next guy coming in. When you are talking about top ranked high school recruits generally they want to display their talents as much as possible in order to move to the next level. And even those that don't have aspirations of the NFL, still want to play and not be stuck buried on the depth chart. Maybe the guys on the list that are looking around will be a fit for the next guy. Or maybe they won't. At this point, I think you have to understand why they would do their due diligence and look around so that if they are not a fit, they are not scrambling to find a place.

This type of thing is not unprecedented. John L. Smith coached that entire last year but it was announced on November 1st that he would not be coming back. Coach D was hired at MSU on November 27, 2006. MSU had 22 commits in that first class of his and 20 of them committed after Coach D was hired. I am willing to guess that John L. had more than 2 guys committed before the start of November but only 2 remained. Going back to when John L. took over, only 3 guys that committed to Williams remained on signing day.

The long and short of this is I am not surprised by the fact that guys are looking around and/or decommitting. Also reading into this being a U of M thing is overlooking the fact that U of M is not unique in seeing this response from commits when you have a lame duck in the driver's seat.
-ATown




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Monday, January 6, 2014

VIDEO - MSU FOOTBALL FRONT BURNER: Beyond the Rose Bowl, Part 2 and Video Highlights

ROSE BOWL CHAMPIONS EDITION
Our weekly feature on MSU Football brings diverse responses to
a variety of questions related to the Spartans program. 

Front-Burner was published in three parts between the B1G Championship and the Rose Bowl

Part 1. B1G Championship Game Discussion
Part 2. MSU 2013 Season Discussion
           2A. ATownAndDown Feature
           2B. MSUSpartan76 Feature
Part 3. Rose Bowl Discussion
           3A. Pre-Game Discusison
           3B. The Game/Results - Beyond the Rose Bowl Part 1
           3C. Beyond the Rose Bowl Part 2  (This Edition)

Panelists:
ATownAndDown (Follow A-Town on M-Live)
MSUSpartan76 (Follow '76 on M-Live)
SpartanMan82 (Check out all of SM82's posts)

Note: This will be the final weekly Front Burner edition. Others will follow as new developments related tot the football team dictate.

First let's take a look at the Rose Bowl and celebration highlights.



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1. MSU has finished as a finalist in high profile recruiting battles frequently in recent years. Should we expect to win those battles more regularly immediately, or will MSU need a validation season in 2014 before Dantonio lands more plan A recruits resulting in top 20 recruiting classes?

ATownAndDown (Follow A-Town on M-Live)
Recruiting is improving. There won't be a sudden jump if you ask me. Coach D has already said the pitch is going to remain the same and that is going to turn off some recruits. There are many recruits that view college football as a transitional league and want to hear what a program and coach are going to do for them to get them to the NFL. That is not what Coach D will ever push. He is going to tell guys how its going to be and what is expected of them at MSU. Some recruits will be smart enough to see the results of having that lunchbox mentality (Coach D has put 24 players in the NFL and with guys like Dennard, Bullough, Lewis, Allen, Fou, etc. that list will grow longer soon) but others want to hear the coach tell them that getting them ready for the NFL is his goal. But you are already seeing bigger recruits looking a little harder at MSU and some of the prognosticators are shifting their speculations toward MSU because of that.

MSUSpartan76 (Follow '76 on M-Live)
Elsworth was a walk-on. How many star players has MSU produced from the ranks of the recruiting site 2-stars and unrated?

What we should expect is the MSU Spartan Football coaching staff to continue to stuff the roster with kids that fit the program, can be developed, who are willing to put in the work, who play as a team, and who never quit. We need and want those players that fit: Spartans Will!

We do not need chUMps as role models. We do not need to polish recruiting trophies. Those so-called recruiting "battles" are just hype created by the recruiting sites and spoon fed to the fans. MSU needs no validation. The only true validation comes with "Just Win."

SpartanMan82 (Check out chUMp of the Month Winners)
The recruiting situation is already improving. Nothing is certain until LOIs are signed, but getting a verbal from the top player in Pennsylvania last month was a sign of things to come. There is only room for a few more players in the 2014 Class, but it looks like MSU is bidding for some big names to add before signing day in February.

Much has been made of how well Mark Dantonio has done with "lower-tier" recruits, but that success doesn't mean that he only wants 2-star players. He will be going after "higher-tier" recruits for the 2015 Class, and we should see results of those recruiting efforts during the next eight months. I expect next year's group to finish in the Top 20, perhaps Top 15 or better.

Meanwhile, the 2014 Class is ranked around #35 in the country right now, but every time Dantonio is asked about them, he says it's a great group. As long as Dantonio gets who he wants, it won't matter how many stars they have coming out of high school.
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2. What do you think will be the most intriguing stories in the off-season?

MSUSpartan76 (Follow '76 on M-Live)
Easy. How are the fans going to handle the coaching decisions related to Damion Terry and Connor Cook. Where will Tyler O'Conner fit into the scheme of things.

One other story: Will Desmond Howard actually get a clue?

SpartanMan82 (Check out This Date in chUMp History)
Damion Terry still seems to be a more talented quarterback than Connor Cook, yet Cook has two years experience ahead of him. Will Terry be given a fair chance at the job? If not, will he get to play in non-garbage-time situations? Tyler Hoover guarantees it.

What happens with Don Treadwell? If Narduzzi stays with us, will there be a place for Treadwell on the staff?

What will Mark Hollis do about the perceived "problem" with the student section in Spartan Stadium? Several simple answers are available, and Hollis is more than competent enough to choose one of the solutions to the "problem". Will he fix it?

How do the coaches divide playing time between Jeremy Langford and the other viable running back candidates on the team now and those who will be arriving later this year? Langford will be a Senior, and we don't want a repeat of the LeVeon Bell show from last year, with one running back monopolizing all of the carries for a full season.

ATownAndDown (Follow A-Town on M-Live)
Player development is what I am most intrigued with. Defense will have a ton of talent but there will be holes to fill. Guys like Harris, Davis, LT, Clemons, Bullough, Hicks, Robinson, Edmundson, Jones, Reschke, etc. are all going to be given their opportunities to step up. It will be exciting to see what they do with those opportunities. But even on the offensive side of the ball guys like Holmes, Troup, Madaris, Arnett, Chmura, and even Shelton have showed some flashes. Can any of them step up and rock the boat? Do the starters up their game because of that competition?

Other storylines to watch: Where does Terry shake out and does Coach D go live with the QB's again? Where do guys like Williams and Lyles end up? Does Fowler petition for a 6th year? Potential transfers?
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3. How many losses will be too many for David Brandon to keep the Hokester at the Helm in Ann Arbor? MythAgain plays Notre Dame, Ohio STATE and MSU away from the Pig House. Will Hoke win enough games in 2014 to keep his job?

SpartanMan82 (Check out chUMp Satire)
A five-loss season would be very hard for Hoke to survive, but get ready for his resurrection early in the year. Michigan could again be 6-1, if not 7-0, before the bottom falls out next season. He really needs 10 wins to settle down that fan-base, but he won't get that many.

My guess is that Michigan will finish 8-4 next year, with multiple camps operating behind the scenes regarding the coach situation. If he wins his bowl game, he stays. If he loses his bowl game, he's gone.

ATownAndDown (Follow A-Town on M-Live)
No clue about if or what it will take for Hoke to keep his job. I have been perplexed by that situation with how the U of M fan base revolted against RichRod who was trending back toward a successful program but they are much more patient with Hoke who was his most successful off what RichRod built and has regressed since then.

I think Dave Brandon needs to worry about his own job. Michigan fans are getting tired of a lot of the business decisions being made regarding the program. Ticket prices are going up again and the home schedule for U of M is App St., Miami (OH), Utah, Minn, PSU, Ind, and Maryland. Also in talking to a few Michigan Men, they are not happy about the App St game being scheduled. While they understand the business side of it (should be an easy win but it will still drum up publicity) the publicity will be negative and remind fans of a very dark day in U of M football. Factor in that he is paying his coaching staff an exorbitant amount of money for the results they are getting and he seems to be putting very little pressure on them to change things up. I have even heard rumors that U of M might struggle to clear 100K in the stands at a couple of those poor games early games. How long do the powers that be at U of M allow their crown jewel to not sparkle?

MSUSpartan76 (Follow '76 on M-Live)
Who cares? This question, like the team it references, is totally irrelevant.
   Ok, so I suppose I have to give some kind of answer. Here goes. If Coach Choke stops serving donuts and starts serving Dominos Pizza, David "Avoid the Noid" Brandon will keep him for decades.

MSU does not measure its success by whatever happens with the Ann Arbor Charm School football club. Let's leave that to the chUMps to fret over.

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Thursday, November 7, 2013

Requiem for the chUMps

We are just beginning to see the real aftermath of the total domination of the Ann Arbor Charm School ball club by the Michigan State Spartans. We've already been hearing from the chUMps an old, familiar mantra.

"Wait 'til next year!"

Then the list the roster and recruiting stars and blah, blah, blah they do go on about how fabulous their recruiting classes have been and will be and how they will again dominate the rivalry (note they are now calling it a rivalry) and on and on ad nauseam.

One must ask: Just how valuable are all of those elite 4 & 5 star recruits if they do not stay long enough to play? From Chat Sports: Exclusive: Multiple Michigan underclassment exploring transfer options.

So, the chUMps think the Ann Arbor Charm School ball club is going to close the gap with the Spartans in 2014? Not with as much as 10% of their team bailing. Part of that article addresses the question of why the recruits feel they were misled during recruiting.

Several things that I was told were promised to players that are now considering transferring that have not come to fruition during their 1 or 2 seasons on campus:
 - A blitzing defense that attacks the QB
 - Steady rotation of running backs, giving multiple players the chance to get meaningful carries
 - Steady rotation of d-linemen, giving younger guys meaningful snaps
 - A progressive, attacking offense
 - The Big Ten’s toughest offensive line
 - Top O-line coaching and technique
 - A Big Ten championship by Hoke’s 3rd season, national championship contention by year 4.


In addition, highly touted recruits such as JuJu Smith are just saying no to the chuMps.

We will pass by the easy target of UM player suspensions.

Well, the highly overepaid Coach Choke apparently got a barrel of snakeoil from Rich Rodriguez and has been spreading it heavily.

And this same likeable guy is still claiming the chUMps will see their team in the Rose Bowl. This season. Ok. I exaggerated. The claim is the goal to get the B1G Title is still on, still achieveable.

Is it possible the maize haze is finally clearing?

Is it possible that Vegas will drop the line on UM winning the National Crown? (Update, they did.)

Are we finally actually seeing that school down the road by its true colors? Is it possible that people are finally realizing there actually is a Michigan Difference and that in Ann Arbor it is more aligned with NCAA Sanctions (the probationary period just ended) then those unsubstantiated claims of Leaders and the Best?" It's McCheatin U. for God's sake!



What can you expect from a program led by the chief Noid?

6-29

Wait 'til next year!
 

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Friday, July 12, 2013

The Myth Of A Widening Recruiting Gap - Part II

In Part I, it was shown, using 5-year rolling averages of ranking data obtained from Scout.com that the gap between UM and MSU recruiting rankings was actually following a closing trend. This contradicts the chUMp claims that the gap is widening.

At the end of Part I, an interesting trend was mentioned concerning the numbers of recruits in those recruiting classes. A hypotheses was proposed that the trend involving the numbers of recruits might actually prove to show the gap was closing even more than was initially calculated.

In fact, it is.

Before proceeding, we must note that after the 2006 class, Scout changed its algorithm for computing the recruiting class scores. Therefore rankings were used rather than the class scores. Using the rankings imposes a quantification effect. What this means is that the difference between numerically sequential ranks could be caused by a delta score of just 1 or of 1 million. This means that the delta scores between ranks is not uniform. That is always true with any system that ranks scores.

Not sure what that means? Let's look at a simple example.

Rank  Score  Delta (Score)
1         3401         -
2         3290     111
3         3289         1
4         3100     189
5         3005       95

The ranks are evenly spaced, but the scores associated with the ranks are not. This is a quantization effect.

The reason to mention this is not that it is significant to the analysis. It is actually useful. It allows the different scoring algorithms to be neutralized.

To analyze the hypothesis that normalizing the rankings based on the number of recruits was tested. Since the chUMps declared UM was superior the decision was made to leave the UM data as the baseline and normalize the MSU recruiting data to the number of UM recruits.

The math is simple.

MSU SCORE / # MSU RECRUITS * # UM RECRUITS = normalized MSU SCORE

The normalized scores were computed for each year and a new ranking for MSU was obtained from the Scout.com data base using those normalized scores. The Scout.com limit of 25 recruits per class was included in the analysis.

The results, again using 5-year rolling averages of the class rankings:

Years    UM    MSU  delta
02-06     8.6    49.8   41.2
03-07     6.8    53.0   46.2
04-08     6.4    43.2   36.8
05-09     8.2    47.2   39.0
06-10   10.2    42.6   32.4
07-11   14.2    38.0   23.8
08-12   13.0    32.2   19.2
09-13   12.2    25.6   13.4
10-14   10.8    20.8   10.0

Scout.com uses a scoring system that has factors that resemble exponential funcions. Mentioned above was how integer rankings quantizes scores. Scout.com has a scoring system that puts that on steroids.

Stars  Points
    5      200
    4      120
    3        40
    2        20
 NR          1
 JC           1
 PG          1

To the aggregate star score is the top 100 points. This means that the higher up in the rankings, the more points it takes to achieve the next higher ranking position.

Since UM is generally ranked higher than MSU over the 9 data sets, it seemed worthwhile to reverse the normalization and alter the UM data based on the MSU number of recruits.

The results are interesting.

Years    UM    MSU  delta
02-06     7.4    46.2   38.8
03-07     5.0    48.6   43.6
04-08     7.4    40.6   33.2
05-09     8.8    45.4   36.6
06-10   12.4    43.8   31.4
07-11   13.2    40.6   27.4
08-12   13.2    37.8   24.6
09-13   11.6    35.6   24.0
10-14   12.2    31.8   19.6

The trend is not as steep as when the MSU number of recruits is normalized.

While it is clear that the analysis supports the hypothesis that normalizing the number of recruits would show that the trend in the gap between the recruiting class rankings is narrowing faster, the algorithm Scout employs for calculating class ranking scores does not support a rigorous analysis leading to a definitive answer.

Perhaps the rolling 5-year averages of the win loss records and margins of victory over the same time frame will illuminate. MoV is MSU score minus UM score regardless of winner.

Years   WL%   MoV
02-06  0.0000  -16.4
03-07  0.0000    -8.0
04-08  0.2000    -3.8
05-09  0.4000    -1.0
06-10  0.6000   +3.0
07-11  0.8000   +9.4
08-12  0.8000   +9.8

The trends are clear. The gap is closing. The only question that remains indeterminate is: by exactly how much.

And for how long. The last time we saw these kinds of trends was in the late 1940s when Biggie Munn was transforming MSU (nee MSC) into the Nation's Football Factory.

Part I

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Sunday, July 7, 2013

The Myth of a Widening Recruiting Gap - Part I

Preface: There is no resemblance whatsoever between the wolf and the wolverine. The former is a noble beast and an ancestral relation to man's best friend. The latter is an ignoble, disgusting carrion eater that, in fact, is a skunk the size of a bear cub. Hence, when referring to those Arrogant Asses, a term coined by Coach Daryl Rogers, the use of Skunkbear (as a pseudonym for a UM troll) is most applicable.

Now, on to today's topic. This is not exactly a topic for the lazy or those in need of instant gratification. You are going to have to read and think about this stuff.

The topic: The Gap Is Widening?

Recent recruiting news has the Skunkbears practically wetting their pants. An over-hyped high school kid has foolishly elected to name that school down the road as his choice. To further exacerbate the matter, another over-hyped kid is considering the same. It is with great glee that the Skunkbears are thumping their collective chests, as if they actually had ANYTHING at all to do with it, and spewing stench over and over again on the many Spartan sports message boards.

The Skunkbears claim that "Hoke is eating Dantonio's lunch" in recruiting.
The Skunkbears claim that "the gap is widening" (and the 'natural order' will be restored).

The facts support just the opposite. The gap, at least as far as recruiting is concerned, has been closing.

How is one to tell how things are going? Most are quick to look at the most recent class or the next incoming class and jump wildly to conclusions. While those class rankings might have some bearing, possibly, one must pause and ponder. Since when did a freshman class make or break a team? Certainly not on a regular basis or as a general rule.

The point is, if one is going to assess the relative strength of program recruiting, based exclusively on recruiting site rankings, one has to include the recruiting classes that make up the team, year by year.

Why?

We must digress to make a point.
Statistics is a powerful tool for those who know how to use it and comprehend its inherent limitations. Most football "statistics" are little more than averages of aggregate data, the simplest form of statistics and usually abused.

For example: The running back averaged 5.0 yards per attempt. Take the total net yards and divide by the number of carries. What does that tell you about his performance? Does it tell you the probability that any given play will result in a long rush? No. Done right, statistics can tell you his "mean value" rush, which defines the distance where half of his rushes are shorter and half are longer. It can also tell you the "standard deviation," which is the delta from the mean (+ & -) that contains 68.2% (1 sigma value) of his results. What good is that? It tells you how consistently the running back plays. Two players can have a mean value of 5.0 yards per rush. One of them can have a standard deviation of 1 yard and the other of 2 yards. The first player can be relied on to gain between 4 & 6 yards a play rather reliably. The other is between 3 & 7 yards. Maybe mentioning the "bell curve" will jog a few memories. The point is that statistics can do things more meaningful than just giving out data averages.

What does that have to do with recruiting? Go back to he Skunkbear claim of "closing the gap." That expression literally means they see a trend.

Statistics is very useful in describing trends. Trends are results versus time. This returns us to to the earlier point of needing to assess 5-year multiple class rankings. Doing so creates a rolling (or running) average. Rolling averages are good for assessing trends in situations where the data fluctuations need to be "smoothed out" without degrading the results.

A typical team consists of 85 scholarship players plus another 20-plus walk-on athletes. NCAA, as a rule, allows a school to offer 25 scholarships in a given year. Couple this with the redshirt rule, which allows a coach to sign the kid and delay the use of eligibility for a year, and in today's game, there are recruits from 5 classes on most teams - true freshmen to redshirted seniors.

One could make the point that there are actually only a few freshmen and redshirts that start and so 3 years should be used. The counter point is, when doing rolling averages, a fewer number of time intervals used allows more data fluctuation to shows up in the results. The bottom line is the trend lines become less descriptive and, thus, less useful. In this, a balance needs to be achieved.

Scout, Rivals, ESPN, and 24/7 Sports are the Big Four in ranking recruiting classes. MaxPreps assesses high school players. Each has their own scouts/analysts. Each has their own evaluation criteria. Each has their own ranking algorithm. We will save the discussion of those ranking systems for another time.

A cautionary note is required. There are 11 years of recruiting data available for each team. Anything less that 100 samples is not statistically significant. The sample size is too small to ensure with less than 5% probability that the results did not occur by chance.

The Gap Is Widening?

The data consists of Scout recruiting class rankings for the year given averaged with the 4 preceding classes. 2014 is based on today's rankings and will change as the 2014 recruiting continues. Scout recruiting data goes back to the class of 2002.

Using 5 year rolling averages of the class rankings:

Years    UM   MSU   delta
02-06     8.6    46.2    37.6
03-07     6.8    48.6    41.8
04-08     6.4    40.6    34.2
05-09     8.2    45.4    37.2
06-10   10.2    43.8    33.6
07-11   14.2    40.6    26.4
08-12   13.0    37.8    24.8
09-13   12.2    35.6    23.4
10-14   10.6    31.8    21.1

The most significant single factor that influences class rankings is the number of recruits in the class.

Years    UM   MSU   delta
02-06    102     115     +13
03-07    102     117     +15
04-08    110     121     +11
05-09    110     114     +  4
06-10    114     111     -   3
07-11    113     108     -   5
08-12    118     108      -10
09-13    120     104      -16
10-14    113       93      -20

The delta between the rolling averages is reducing, while the 5 year total number of recruits shows a remarkable shift. MSU is doing a better job of retaining the kids they recruit.

Bottom line: MSU improved their class rankings while reducing the total number of recruits while UM managed to sustain their rankings but with a significant increase in the number of recruits, which has a big impact on class rankings.

It is obvious the Gap Is CLOSING. Moreover, the probability is the gap has closed more than the numbers indicate.

Continued in Part II.

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Recruiting Is Not An Excuse For Michigan To Be "Back"

So your team got number 1 through number 10 on Rivals top recruits list.  Congratulations! Now what.....

There have been more than a few Michigan Men that have declared that Michigan football is “back”.  If this is U of M being back, how far have the mighty fallen? Talk about a downgrade in your standards if an afterthought in the B1G race is being "back".  But when pressed to why they think U of M is back, Michigan Man ultimately points to recruiting, doesn't he?

I will have to admit that Brady Hoke has done a nice job bringing in bodies since his arrival in early 2011, but does that automatically translate to being back?  First and foremost, I have to say what an insult to coaches everywhere.  This argument essentially states that your job is obsolete because if the other side has better talent they will win regardless of your efforts.  Second, I will not even get into RichRod and the fact that he did bring in a lot of talent to U of M even though Michigan Man likes to ignore that.

The problem I have is that I have seen this mentality seep into some Spartan fans’ thoughts.  The “If we want to win, we need 5-star recruits” mentality.  If MSU pulled 10 out of 10 on the Rivals list, I am sure you would be doing back flips.  But what does that get you?

Let’s look at the 2009 class.  That class has had four full seasons to show how they deserved those top-10 spots (meaning if they were the epic college football players they were supposed to be, we should know by now).  Did you know that if your team pulled those 10 guys, you would have a total of two guys that became All-Americans?  That is the same number of All-American seasons as the 3-star Greg Jones!

This is not to say that those 10 players didn't deserve to be ranked that high.  Based on the number of them that seemed to get picked up by NFL teams regardless of their college careers, I would say they were all extremely talented.  But football is so much more than just being talented.  You have to be a fit in a system, you have to buy into the system, you have to have other guys around you that fit in the system, you need to have coaches that are competent in that system and so much more.

Mark Dantonio and his staff have done a very good job of identifying guys that fit.  Max Bullough is probably not a fit in Nick Saban’s 3-4 defense.  Kirk Cousins would be laughable in Urban Meyer’s spread option.  BJ Cunningham is probably a role player (redzone/possession receiver) in RichRod’s speed offense.  But at MSU they are perfect fits and the coaches put them in the right position to excel.

I know there are hundreds of success stories from guys that have made up top-100 over the years (That Terrelle Pryor kid won some football games. But there was that whole disgracing the university thing too).  But for everyone of the Julio Jones stories there is a Baker Steinkuhler and for every Ronald Powell there is a Sharrif Floyd.  Star rankings do not guarantee anything.  Basically even if your team is even able to pull the magical top-10 sweep, there are no guarantees of success.  So how important is it that anyone outside of Mark Dantonio and his staff put value in the recruits that are showing up in East Lansing? I, for one, am going to continue to trust Coach D over any ranking system out there.

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Saturday, May 19, 2012

Recruiting Updates...

The Only Colors blog posted several recruiting updates from several subscription/pay sites. Here is a copy of the post and reader comments... [If you received this post via email, please go directly to the site to view videos - they won't appear in your email post.]

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Football 'Crootin Roundup Is Looking For Help In The Bible Belt

by ChrisVannini on May 17, 2012 12:30 PM CDT in Michigan State Spartans Football

Not many major updates on the recruiting trail over the past week, but the MSU coaches were looking to make inroads in several southern states.

(Small update: Joe Rexrode reports that QB commit Damion Terry has been given four stars by Scout and will be ranked when Rivals' list comes out. Here's the proof. Not bad for a kid who had no major offers before MSU)

Sunshine State ATH talks Spartans (24/7) - Four-star Florida prospect Lamar Robbins was offered by MSU last weekend. Robbins has notable offers from Louisville, Ole Miss and Pitt, but said West Virginia and MSU are two that stand out for him. MSU has grabbed a receiver from the Miami area in each of the last two years and is looking for more recruiting success in Florida.

MSU offer has OL talking visit (24/7) - Three-star Georgia offensive tackle J.P. Vonashek didn't know Mike Tressel was coming to his school when he was offered by the Spartans. MSU is a little late in the game, as Vonashek said MSU isn't in his top five, but he said he'll try to take a visit to East Lansing. The Spartans continue to recruit Georgia hard. Speaking of that...

MSU offers another from Peach State (24/7) - Three-star Georgia defensive tackle Jay Ellison was recently offered by MSU. Ellison has many SEC and ACC offers and said some of the SEC schools are recruiting him the hardest. MSU is still looking for some defensive line commits, and Georgia is home to several talented ones.

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Benenoch piling up offers (Rivals) - Your weekly update on Texas OL Caleb Benenoch. He recently received an offer from Auburn and is hoping to hear from USC and Ole Miss soon. It sounds like his parents have never been wild about him moving all the way up to East Lansing.

"I'm still committed to Michigan State," Benenoch said. "My parents still want me to keep looking, so the way we are going to handle it is visit a lot of schools and you know, my parents have to like the school just as much as I do. Academics are very important, they're going to like the schools like Texas, Texas A&M and Stanford because they're in the top 50 schools in the country as far as academics go."

If I was a parent, academics and the ability to see my kid play would be major factors, so you can't blame Benenoch's parents for feeling how they do. Benenoch has shown frustration with people questioning his commitment to MSU, but when you make statements like this, it's not hard to see why some people think he won't be signing with MSU when the time comes.

Now, back to the Midwest kids...

Delton Williams Checks In (24/7) - An update on Erie (Pa.) athlete Delton Williams. MSU remains No. 1 for him, but an offer from Ohio State could change things. Nothing really new, but there are some good quotes on how MSU is selling itself to Williams, including an opportunity for the defensive back to play some offense.

Michigan kicker could earn Spartan offer (Rivals) - JJ McGrath has been on MSU's radar for quite some time. The Macomb kicker has visited MSU a few times already, but it appears MSU may be close to offering him. SpartanMag reports MSU will look to add a kicker to the 2013 class. Having one of the top kickers in the country interested an in the state of Michigan could be a factor. McGrath's punting abilities also make him a desirable target.

Hicks talks new offers and MSU trip (24/7) - Ohio defensive back Darian Hicks still has MSU at the top of his list, even as offers from Pitt, Minnesota and Virginia have come. He will camp at MSU in June, along with camping at Ohio State at Michigan. This appears to be a situation where Hicks would pick MSU unless the Buckeyes or Wolverines make an offer. A tough spot.

Maryland DB names top six (Rivals) - In this video, Maryland cornerback Kirk Garner lists MSU among his top six choices. Penn State, U-M and Purdue also are in his top six. MSU is looking to add another defensive back or two, but have offers out to a lot of talented prospects, so the spots will go to whomever pulls the trigger first.

Flick looking hard at MSU (Scout) - Two-star Ohio offensive guard Ben Flick camped at MSU last summer and is hoping for an offer from them. He currently has offers from Buffalo, Marshall and Western Michigan. MSU found success with another lower-rated recruited out of Hamilton High School in Denicos Allen.

Mosley looking to visit (24/7) - Three-star Illinois athlete Darius Mosley has plenty of offers from Midwest schools. He doesn't know a ton about MSU, but a visit surely would help that. But there's a problem.

"I'm trying to visit Michigan State," Mosley said. "I don't have anyone to take me. I'm trying to visit there this summer."

That's how you know nothing fishy is going on.

Spartans want Jeppesen at camp (Rivals) - Three-star Portage lineman Nate Jeppesen has been an offensive guard for most of his high school career, but MSU and U-M want to see him on the defensive side. That could be enough for him to receive an offer from MSU. The Spartans are focusing on tackles more than guards on the offensive line and also need some defensive tackles in the 2013 class.

"Michigan State has said they like me a lot and they are just trying to figure out where I can fit in and get a scholarship offer."

Matt Morrissey is next in line (24/7) - 2014 Illinois safety Matt Morrissey has plenty of MSU ties. His father, Jim, played linebacker at MSU and his sister, Anna, plays on the MSU women's basketball team. MSU, U-M and Northwestern have shown the most interest thus far.

"I'm going to keep my options open, but I still am a Spartan fan right now."

Spartans reach out to Cali. DB (24/7) - Three-star California safety Brandon Arnold recently received an MSU offer and put the Spartans in his top five — which consists of some schools that haven't offered yet. Arnold isn't sure if he'll take a visit to East Lansing, but hopes to make a decision during his senior season.

Comments

Wow...back to back 11 Win Seasons is Starting to Pay off in Recruiting

I can’t recall MSU football ever making so many recruits top 5 or 6 all over the country. Even though we may not get most of these kids I think nationally we are starting to get taken seriously.

On a Seperate note I love how everyone thinks we are going to have a down year because of losing Cousins and our Receiving corps, but they forget that those kids were mostly 2 star recruits who coach D developed into the best class in MSU history. If this trend continues it’s going to be great to see this 3 and 4 star talent develop under Coach D!

by MSUMC25 on May 17, 2012 6:32 PM CDT reply


Speaking of football 'crootin


Hey, Joe! breaks that ’13 QB commit Damion Terry has just gone from unranked to 4* on Scouts, and will get rated on Rivals this month.

I think this goes to show two things: 1) Coach D & his staff have an eye for finding talent that is overlooked by other major programs, and 2) Other progams, and the recruiting services are both aware of that. Caleb Benenoch is of course getting all the love from his home region schools, which literally ignored him until he verballed with MSU, and now an unranked QB is debuting at 4 stars after committing here.

by MSUDersh on May 17, 2012 8:21 PM CDT reply


Cali?


Can’t remember the last time I heard about MSU going after a kid out there (then again, I don’t pay a ton of attention to recruiting stuff). This is pretty much exactly how I would want a coach to build a program and get recruits. Start local when you take over and work really hard to lay that groundwork. Then when it’s established, start reaching out to new areas. It’s a slow process, but we’re certainly starting to see some dividends.


"It was worth it. Every needle, every dose of medicine that I've taken. That's why you play the game. A chance to be on a Final Four team, a chance to win championships." Delvon Roe

by Ducking Delvon on May 18, 2012 8:19 AM CDT reply


Possible drawback however...


…is that the staff spends “too much” time recruiting out of state, and hurts the feelings of some local coaches. I think this happened a bit with JLS.


Scientists say the universe is made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons. They forgot about morons.

by Spartan D on May 18, 2012 8:36 AM CDT up reply


Valid point


Though with the success Coach D has had, it should make more local kids be naturally interested. Also, I think JLS slapped himself in the face with his very zealous recruiting in the JuCo ranks. He ended up bringing in lots of older, experienced guys w limited remaining eligibilty, who expected to play right away. Which I imagine turned off kids who came into the program straight from HS

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Monday, April 16, 2012

MSU Receives Verbal from 2nd 4-Star LB in 2013 Class

From The Little Brother Blog

WRITTEN BY MIKE W. | 16 APRIL 2012

A linebacker with the last name Jones from Cincinnati Moeller is nothing new to MSU fans, in fact, it's a very warm and welcome thought.

Shane Jones, no relation to Greg, became the sixth member of the 2013 Michigan State recruiting class on Monday.

"He said he just felt (Michigan State) was that great of a fit for himself and he was done,” Moeller coach John Rodenberg said to the Cincinnati Enquirer. Rodenberg added that Jones was named a team captain two weeks.

"SPARTAN NATION STAND UP! #spartandawg," Jones tweeted.

A 6-foot-1, 220-pound linebacker, Jones is the third Moeller player to commit to Michigan State in the past four years, joining defensive end Marcus Rush (2010) and wide receiver Monty Madaris (2012). He is listed as the No. 14 inside linebacker on Rivals.com, but likely will move outside at Michigan State. Jon Reschke, the first commit of the 2013 class, will be an inside/middle linebacker at MSU. Jones and Reschke are rated as four-star recruits by Rivals.

"@Primetime_8 (Shane Jones) welcome to the family bro!!! me and you will dominate in the middle in a couple years #SpartanNation #gogreen," Reschke tweeted to Jones.

Jones also had offers from Oklahoma, Michigan, Penn State and Texas A&M among his 19 scholarship offers.

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Jones on tape looks a lot like current MSU linebacker Chris Norman. Not only are they about the same size, but the way he plays sideline-to-sideline and read the play also is very reminiscent of Norman. As more of a cover linebacker, and less used in the blitz (a la Max Bullough and Denicos Allen), Norman draws assignments to cover a tight end or wide receiver -- and it seems likely Jones will fill a similar role wiht a little better speed and a superior nose for the ball (at this time).

Jones had 89 tackles in 2011, nine tackles for loss. He also had two sacks, an interception and five pass breakups.

Spartans Get Verbal from Dual Threat QB in 2013 Class

From Shaw Lane Spartans


Here’s Your Shield Damion Terry

Michigan State has itself a 2013 Quarterback, after Damion Terry committed to the Spartans earlier today. His commitment marks the seventh of the class of 2013 and the fourth on offense. As always, you want a QB to commit nice and early so the staff can go out and recruit knowing who will be the centerpiece of the offense in years to come. Terry is not ranked by Rivals or Scout and rated a three-star prospect by 247.  He selected Michigan State over offers from Illinois, Boston College, West Virginia, Kent State and Toledo and Duke.
Stats
PAPCPercentageYardsTDINT
2011(MaxPreps)1799754.21415136
2010(Rivals)1919951.81780195
Terry had an outstanding sophomore year and struggled a bit more as a junior. Interesting that the numbers suggest that Terry spent sometime his junior year learning to make shorter throws with higher accuracy but that it impacted his TD to pick ratio. In case you were curious Shane Morris threw only for 14 TDs and 5 Picks his sophmore year.
A Predictor of Future Success is YOUtube
2011 Junior Highlights
2010 Sophomore Highlights
Game Film Review
Note: You MUST listen to some of the background conversation in the Jr Year Highlights. Secret agents and killin’!
In Terry’s highlight video, he does a funny thing a lot in his sophomore video and a little less in his junior year video. He runs the zone read. The only guy who seems to give him a legitimate run for his money in terms of athleticism in the Dantonio era is Tyler O’ Connor. Notice anything weird about this? Two recruiting seasons of Roushar and two mobile quarterbacks. On his home planet of Roushax 5, all offenses are composed entirely of mobile QBs and H-backs.
Terry has that kind of wonky throwing motion that most mobile QBs have, but he probably won’t be in a serious position battle until 2016 so he’s got a while to figure it out. Terry has a nice touch on those sideline go/fade routes. He throws it over the middle a few times with some zip.
Predictions for 2013 and Beyond
Barring doom Terry will have two chances to compete for more than a single year of playing time as the starter. In the fall of 2014, he will be a redshirt freshman battling Cook(RS-Jr.) and O’Connor(RS-Soph) barring injury or transfer to either of them. In 2016, he’ll have a chance to battle again as a Redshirt Junior against O’Connor as a RS-Sr, so yeah, we’re really talking about a guy who will be playing football in 2017 which feels like it cannot be a real year in the future anyway.

Saturday, April 14, 2012

Long Snapper Recruit is a Double Bonus

Adding a recruiting commitment from a long snapper is not typically viewed as any big deal, but how Dantonio played his hand is what makes him an effective gambler.

Consider that the Spartans latest recruit was committed to another BCS division team as a preferred walk on, and you might down grade the recruit even more. Here's the coach D difference:
1. This recruit counts toward as a 2012 commit - not impacting the remaining scholarship numbers of the currently forming recruiting class.
2. With Dantonio's emphasis on special teams and avoiding game-changing errors, note that this recruit has long snapper blood lines and is ranked as the 6th best long snapper in the country.
3. The team to which the recruit was previously committed before becoming a Spartan, will be on MSU's schedule for the entire duration of the recruit's eligibility; adding a needed specialty player to the Spartan's roster while leaving MSU's opponent short in that crucial position.
4. The team who lost this player to the Spartans, is not only in the Big Ten, but in MSU's division.
5. The team now left scrambling is the chUMps.

That's how you get the most value out of a played card - like winning a poker hand with a pair of twos.

More from M-Live:

Michigan State's scholarship offer lures Saline long snapper Taybor Pepper away from Michigan
Published: Saturday, April 14, 2012, 7:55 PM Updated: Saturday, April 14, 2012, 8:00 PM

AnnArbor.com, Courtesy photoSaline High School long snapper Taybor Pepper has accepted a football scholarship offer from Michigan State.

EAST LANSING — Michigan State's football program has added another late member to its 2012 recruiting class, with Saline High School long snapper Taybor Pepper accepting a scholarship offer from the Spartans,according to Scout.com's Allen Trieu.

Pepper reportedly had previously committed to Michigan, but as a preferred walk-on.

The second-generation long snapper was chronicled by MLive.com's sister organization AnnArbor.com last month, when he fully intended to attend Michigan.

Pepper, whose father was a long snapper at Illinois, worked with long-snapping specialist Chris Rubio, with Rubio ranking Pepper as the sixth-best long snapper prospect in the country.

"Taybor is an extremely long athlete that has perfect form for a long snapper,” Rubio wrote in an email to AnnArbor.com. "In having such exceptional form and utilizing his length, Taybor is able to generate an immense amount of speed on the ball."

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