tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4160896203399392588.post1315312630814965451..comments2023-11-02T12:37:45.738-04:00Comments on DUMP the chUMps (Spartan Resource): THIS DATE IN chUMp HISTORY: MARCH 21, 2002return2gloryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10627394589459313945noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4160896203399392588.post-5002040983173060022014-03-24T17:21:28.005-04:002014-03-24T17:21:28.005-04:00Thank you 76. This guy is pretty slippery about th...Thank you 76. This guy is pretty slippery about the actual "fact" that he says is supposedly "wrong".<br /><br />We already know that Fisher was allowed to continue his career without punishment, but many folks at the time believed that was unjust. Some of those folks worked for the NCAA. I have never claimed that Fisher was punished by the NCAA, so it remains unclear what "fact" is supposedly "wrong".<br /><br />There's more to what Fisher did with Martin. As I wrote above, the charges against Martin verified the PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN him and Fisher. Maybe the anonymous one doesn't think there was a "partnership".<br /><br />Consider the airline tickets and the apartments. Fisher knew, as proven by his actions. But he also allowed Ed Martin to be part of recruiting meetings, and allowed Martin into the UM locker room. Why would he do that for some guy with no credentials or background in basketball?<br /><br />Just because Fisher excused himself from the room when the envelopes were exchanged does not make him "innocent".<br /><br />The NCAA wanted to get Fisher - - - BADLY - - - but did not have the rules in place at the time to do so. I believe such rules are now in place.American Reporterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18053609741082503574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4160896203399392588.post-955984066797803242014-03-24T17:11:48.196-04:002014-03-24T17:11:48.196-04:00Before you argue, reread the article. No where doe...Before you argue, reread the article. No where does it state that Fischer knew of the transactions between Martin and the players. It only states that there was a "partnership" between Michigan officials and a criminal element and the "Michigan officials" included Fischer.MSUSpartan76https://www.blogger.com/profile/01872614755970123409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4160896203399392588.post-31918125823722910752014-03-24T17:04:55.629-04:002014-03-24T17:04:55.629-04:00In September 1996, athletic director Joe Roberson ...In September 1996, athletic director Joe Roberson learned that during the previous month Martin had tried to place deposits on apartments for Traylor and Louis Bullock. Martin had also offered airline tickets to Bullock's parents so they could attend a tournament in Puerto Rico. It emerged that Fisher had known about Martin's actions at the time. While Fisher had ordered the deposits retrieved and made sure the tickets weren't used, he didn't tell anyone in the athletic or compliance offices, as he was required to do. <br /><br />Also,<br /><br />Fisher prevented Martin from committing serious additional violations by keeping him from placing a deposit on an apartment for a player. He also stopped Martin from buying airplane tickets for another player's family.<br /><br />Now, Fischer knew nothing?<br /><br />I suggest you actually learn something about the scandal before accusing the researcher of mythmaking.MSUSpartan76https://www.blogger.com/profile/01872614755970123409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4160896203399392588.post-9283979733584040592014-03-24T16:46:38.869-04:002014-03-24T16:46:38.869-04:00I'm trying to tell you, that you have incorrec...I'm trying to tell you, that you have incorrect information on your website. If you want to argue it you can, but that doesn't discount the fact that you're wrong.<br /><br />I'm just trying to help you out. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4160896203399392588.post-384434280467811942014-03-23T23:42:03.261-04:002014-03-23T23:42:03.261-04:00Okay, I get it! All this time you have been foolin...Okay, I get it! All this time you have been fooling me, ha ha, as I was taking you seriously! Now I see you're actually a comedian, just working on your act. Hoo hah, you really had me there for awhile!<br /><br />You tipped me off with that stuff about "trying to help" me. Then you mentioned slander, which would not apply to the written word. Libel is what you probably meant by "liable", but there must be damages for a lawsuit. So you raise a key question.<br /><br />If Fisher did not sue the UM for damages after losing such a lucrative position, why and how could he sue anybody on this web site without any proven damages?<br /><br />See, I get your joke! It's sort of a question within a question. Pretty clever!<br /><br />American Reporterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18053609741082503574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4160896203399392588.post-63073508861591328522014-03-23T18:42:38.095-04:002014-03-23T18:42:38.095-04:00"This verified the partnership forged between..."This verified the partnership forged between Michigan officials (including men's basketball coach Steve Fisher) and the overtly criminal element."<br /><br />There is no proof that Fischer was aware of any money that exchanged hands. As I said, I think it's foolish to assume Steve didn't know anything, but he has not been linked to the scandal in the way you infer. <br /><br />I'm trying to help you. Slander, liable, etc. While Fischer will never probably see this website, if there's no proof, you can't include Fischer's name in that statement.<br /><br />So after reading this, go back and read the first comment that was left, does it all make sense now? I expect an apology.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4160896203399392588.post-72508614827008035372014-03-23T17:53:34.872-04:002014-03-23T17:53:34.872-04:00You are definitely a sick puppy. Now you claim tha...You are definitely a sick puppy. Now you claim that you want to "help me"? Do tell, what "help" is it you're trying to offer?<br /><br />As for your anonymous identity, nobody can tell that you're NOT the other "anonymous" source of comments, or the other one before that. If you want your comments tracked uniquely, so that people respond to you and nobody else, pick a name, not "anonymous". I suggest you log-in as "chUMp troll"; we will certainly recognize you by that name.<br /><br />What's the "bold proclamation" you said I made about Fisher? He was fired by UM, so it couldn't by anything I said about his partnership with Ed Martin. Fisher put Martin behind the team bench more than 30 times.American Reporterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18053609741082503574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4160896203399392588.post-10336032621161365702014-03-23T14:58:32.790-04:002014-03-23T14:58:32.790-04:00First, I have never claimed to be a fan of Michiga...First, I have never claimed to be a fan of Michigan, so you should stop making assumptions.<br /><br />Second, Fischer was fired, but that is not necessarily an admission of guilt. Whenever there is a scandal, someone's head will need to roll. Whether it's Michigan, USC, or even Wall Street in 2008. Fischer was even quoted on his way out the door that he (paraphrasing) "ran his program the right way."<br /><br />Again, I'm trying to help you. But if you want to name call, and act childish, then have at it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4160896203399392588.post-17494481181742992922014-03-23T13:36:45.936-04:002014-03-23T13:36:45.936-04:00You clearly have nothing to offer in this discussi...You clearly have nothing to offer in this discussion. Your school fired Fisher - - - IMMEDIATELY - - - upon public revelation of the impending scandal. You have not blamed your school for making a mistake, nor have you claimed that Fisher was not guilty. You are only picking on my ability to produce court-ready legal proof regarding Fisher. This is silly, as it took a Grand Jury and three federal agencies to crack this case. I could not have done it on my own, so my views (and/or "proof") are irrelevant.<br /><br />All we "get" is that you are generally uninformed about your adopted school history. You're probably quite young and never bothered to read up on Ed Martin.American Reporterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18053609741082503574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4160896203399392588.post-76596575282803641022014-03-23T11:49:13.753-04:002014-03-23T11:49:13.753-04:00As I said, it is foolish to assume that Fischer kn...As I said, it is foolish to assume that Fischer knew nothing. But it's not what Fischer knows/knew, it's what we know (or can proove), which is nothing.<br /><br />I'm trying to help you out, you made a bold proclamation about Coach Fischer, one that cannot be substantiated. Assumption do not equal convictions.<br /><br />You get it now?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4160896203399392588.post-73946846579875513062014-03-22T23:58:18.334-04:002014-03-22T23:58:18.334-04:00Your ignorance is becoming amusing. Is it an act, ...Your ignorance is becoming amusing. Is it an act, or genuine? Either way.<br /><br />Why don't you explain why UM fired Fisher immediately upon the investigation becoming public? You're saying he didn't know anything about the "transactions", even though he signed for Ed Martin to sit behind the team bench more than 30 times. So if he wasn't part of it and didn't know about it, why was he fired, in your opinion and/or understanding?<br /><br />[and by he way, what could you possibly mean by "it's not about what Fisher knew, it's what we know"?]American Reporterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18053609741082503574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4160896203399392588.post-54983156225309106812014-03-22T18:20:58.644-04:002014-03-22T18:20:58.644-04:00So you don't have proof?
I'll agree, it&#...So you don't have proof?<br /><br />I'll agree, it's foolish to assume that Fischer didn't know anything, but it's not about what Fischer knew, it's what we know.<br /><br />That's why assumptions to equal convictions. Way to spread filth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4160896203399392588.post-82230098786117075812014-03-21T18:15:37.053-04:002014-03-21T18:15:37.053-04:00Nobody has "proof", but there is solid e...Nobody has "proof", but there is solid evidence.<br /><br />The day before the "transactions" became publicly verified, Fisher denied all allegations. The next day, when it all hit the fan, Fisher was fired.<br /><br />If Fisher was unaware of the "transactions", he could have told his boss as much, and if his boss believed him, he would have been kept on the job, along with his two Final Fours (those had not yet been taken away). Since it's very hard to understand firing a coach with a substitute national championship and two other Final Fours, the evidence points to Fisher being aware of it, or his boss believing he was aware of it. Maybe you think UM made a big mistake in firing Fisher.<br /><br />But why would you care so much about Fisher in this thing? Ed Martin was given seats behind the team bench for more than 30 games, and he dressed in a way that made things look pretty "fishy". Everybody else knew what was going on, how could Fisher not know?<br /><br />You must be too young or ignorant to know much about the entire scandal. You should read up on it. The more you read, the more you'll know.<br /><br />When the news hit the fan, it was not a "surprise" to anybody, and for all but the UM crowd, it was basically a RELIEF to see it move forward into the open. We all knew about non-kosher stuff going down; everybody knew something was rotten in Denmark.<br /><br />But again, it's irrelevant. If Fisher somehow didn't "know", a good number of other people within your great University of Michigan definitely knew. There was no secret about it.American Reporterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18053609741082503574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4160896203399392588.post-81545981842015200982014-03-21T16:53:00.848-04:002014-03-21T16:53:00.848-04:00Do you have proof that Fischer was aware of the tr...Do you have proof that Fischer was aware of the transactions?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com